

2005
Board Room A report from David Bell on the righteous world of board sailing at the Sail Melbourne Formula Windsurfing Worlds. Enjoy. Ninety six entries from 22 countries, with 19 world champions at the Elwood Sailing Club hosted event, include Australian Nathan Bowness strutting his stuff for the spectators on shoreside in Melbourne, Australia. Competitors have spent a bit of time ashore instead of sailboarding on what is normally a very windy Port Phillip Bay, but today is looking fine, with a big northerly set to get racing underway on time. Australias Allison Shreeve, the PWA Racing world champion is currently leading the Womens event from current world champ, Dorota Staszewski from Poland and the 1999 and 2000 title winner, Polishman Wojtek Brzozowski, has taken the lead in the Mens from 19 year-old Youth world and European champion Julien Quentel from France. 12/15/05 |
The Little Big Boys
It really makes it easy to convince the family to go racing when the venue is DisneyWorld! Paul Proefrock 11/11/05 |
Grade A The number of sailors attending the 5th Annual A-Cat Keys Race Week has now risen to 40 A-Cats. The field now consists of several Olympic medalists, World Champions, North American Champions and world renown marine equipment manufacturers responsible for winning the most recent Americas Cup. Owners/A-Cat sailors of the these corporations now are producing state of the art equipment for the Volvo Round the World Ocean Race and future Americas Cup events. All this in an atmosphere of good fun and a Corinthian experience. The anticipation now building for the 2007 A-Cat World Championships, Islamarada, Florida. Bob
Webbon 11/10/05 |
Global Knowledge The big bad boy trimaran Geronimo arrived here in San Diego yesterday (via Tahiti - 4,000 miles covered in 12 days) to get ready for an assault on the outright record from Los Angeles to Honolulu next month. It is part of a very ambitious schedule which will also include the San Francisco to Yokohama Challenge the following month! Your Ed may go out for a sail this week - we'll keep you posted. 11/07/05 |
Double Crazy We know you people are crazy, and this only proves it. - Ed
Doublehanded sailing is really up and coming in Norway. Next June the Watski Skagerrak Twostar race, which is a 300 nautical mile race for doublehanders, will be arranged for the third time. This morning the registration opened, and the limit of 150 Norwegian boats was reached after just three hours. Read On 11/02/05 |
Step Up
Mark Callaway Hull and Fins Coordinator Queen's University Mostly Autonomous Sailboat Team 10/28/05 |
Going
Dutch The
Bojsen-Möller brothers (Jörgen and Jacob) once
again won the World Championships in Flying Dutchman. As
always they used their own sails, (Bojsen-Møller
Sails) with the new carbon mast from Proctor.The second
placed Hungarian boat also used the same setup.10/03/05 |
Proving
once again that there is surely more way than one to skin a cat,
here is Anarchist C. Armitage and son Kai (9) sharing an afternoon
sail at St. Simon's Island.09/27/05 |
High End Down
in TV ratings, "Prada-Luna Rossa" try to pick up
interest at Rome! 09/15/05 |
The I's have It
The winds were generally out of the south at 10 to 15 all weekend and generally oscillating about 10 degrees. There was little hiking to leeward, few capsizes, some great rides downwind and some great glory in picking the right shift or hooking a great puff. The sailing was really close and the ranks varied throughout the regatta. The atmosphere was great and many of the sailors would proclaim that this was the best I-20 regatta EVER. Hopefully well have some time to provide some great stories and more details later, but for now, the results and some pictures are posted on www.inland20.org Duane
Pillar 09/14/05 |
On the Beach Matrix
(Iinglis 39) up on St. Kilda beach after returning from a short
ocean race down here in Melbourne, Australia....what a bummer... 09/12/05 . |
| Mini
Sail Hello SA! I saw on your website that you are always looking to promote interesting sailing programs so here you go. I am a member of a team that is currently building the TAM TAM 6.5 in Montreal Canada. We are looking for sailors that would like to participate in the 2006-07 mini 6.5 circuit in France. Our goal would be to have this individual qualify for the 2007 MiniTransat. We are open to any and all sailors from around the Globe interested in this project. We can reached at info@mini650.com or www.mini650.com (take a look at the video on the front page - Ed). I appreciate your time and would be interested in providing you with more info. Tyler Bjorn 09/07/05 |
Hawaiian
Style Some
of Hawaii's top sailors spent the weekend sailing off the
beautiful coast of Maui, participating in the 2005 Hawaii
Sir Thomas Lipton Challenge Cup Regatta. Donated to the Territory
of Hawaii in 1930 during a visit by Sir Thomas, the Cup had
never left the Island of Oahu in it's 75 year history until
last year (2004), when the tiny but very gung-ho Maui Boat & Yacht
Club made history by snatching it up in the first successful
outer-island challenge. Clubs from three islands participated
in this year's challenge, including the first ever entry
of a club from the Big Island. Also challenging were Waikiki
Yacht Club, Hawaii Yacht Club, and Kaneohe Yacht Club, all
located on Oahu. The Kaneohe Yacht Club boat broke Maui Boat & Yacht
Club's one year grip on the cup in a decisive sweep with
three 1st place and one 2nd place finish. Detailed results,
photos, reports, and even an official event painting are available
here. Aloha, Holokai 09/02/05 |
Anacapa
Island and the Dark Side
Over
the last few weekends there have been 2 races around Anacapa
Island in Southern California. This beautiful little island
lies just 11 miles off Oxnard/Ventura and for this area they
are usually well attended races. Anacapa Island, the smallest
of the Channel Islands, is about 4 miles long with 3 breaks
between two lower lying and one mountainous portion of land
and all are very narrow in length. What makes this race stand
out is that it is a nice race length for an offshore race (34
miles) and is tactically challenging "on the back side" or
the wind shadowed portion of the island. The deep blue water,
sheer cliffs of the island and abundant sea life are so amazing
in beauty that it is distractingly hard to pay attention to
the racing. For that reason when we are not racing our boat
we usually take friends out to the island on our boat and just
float around in the lee. I
bring this particular race up because of the type of racing
we have been treated to the last two times around. As some
of you may or may not know I am a 35 year professional offshore
racing veteran who in the last 5 years has turned, yes like
Darth Vader, to "The Dark Side" which is multihull
sailing. This particular race starts at the coast and is generally
a tight reach out to appropriately named "windy lane" which
begins about 3 miles offshore and stretches to Anacapa's famous
Arch Rock. This is almost a perfect angle for a multihull,
as speeds of well over warp ten are achieved when the wind
is doing its thing. I just love looking back at the wake (every
one that sails on the boat would say all you can do is look
backwards) behind the boat when I am not totally focused on
keeping the boat from getting up to that tipping point with
the windward hull out of the water, it would put most power
boats to shame! In fact we pass most of the power boats anyway.
We certainly are not as dry as them but I guarantee our smiles
are much broader. Read
on. |
| Schock
N' Y'all The Schock 35 Nationals were held in Long Beach, August 26th through 28th hosted by Long Beach Yacht Club. We had three days of racing. Friday was raced on an inside course with Fred Young and his crew from Perfect Circle finishing in first place after the day. But that was not to be, on Saturday, Jeff Janov and the crew of Ripple came back and showed the rest of the fleet who the top dog really is with three bullets on an outside course on Saturday. We saw every sail in the inventory on Saturday and Sunday the winds started out at 6 knots and built all the way up to the low 20s by the end of the day. We had a great dinner at Long Beach Yacht Club Saturday night. This was followed up by an exciting day of racing on Sunday. Leaving the dock Sunday everybody was on edge. The score was tight just as much for the boats in second to fifth to loose as their was for ninth to eleventh. The weekend ended with Ripple in first, Perfect Circle in Second, Whiplash in third, Mako in fourth and Power Play in fifth. 09/01/05 |
| Big
O Scot, We just won the Olson 30 Nationals in Cabrillo last weekend on Blue Star. This was our 5th Nationals. In 98 we got 5th, in 2000 we got 4th, in 2002 we got 2nd, in 2003 we got 3rd, Finally we broke the curse. Hard work, diligent preparation, excellent crew and a shitload of money have all come together for a great regatta. I would like to thank Cabrillo Beach YC and all of their volunteers. Also I would like to recognize my crew, Larry Spencer, Ryder Nesbit, Adam Hamilton, Arron Hall, and Mark Gaudio. Todd
Downey |
Zephyr Un-interrupted With 4 consecutive J/30 National Championship wins under their belt, Team Zephyr is shooting for number five, this time on their home waters in New Orleans October 20th – 23rd, hosted by New Orleans Yacht Club. Troy 25-Aug-2005 |
| Hawaii
8-0 The 2005 Waikiki Offshore Series finished Saturday with two windward leeward races off Waikiki. The medium trade winds and small seas were a welcome relief from the 8 - 12 foot seas and 35+ kts winds that that challenged the racers all week. Philippe Kahns Transpac 52 Pegasus (see picture above) turned in a stellar performance with 8 firsts out of 9 races. Winning first in Division 1 and first overall to earn the King Kamehameha Trophy. A hand carved Koa wood replica of the Hawaiian Sailing Canoe Hokulea. "I sail everywhere around the world and the conditions in Hawaii were the best: Winds from 15 to 35 knots and waves from 1 to 12 ft, tropical waters and unbelievably beautiful scenery. It doesn't get better than this!" said Kahn. Charles Burnetts Transpac 52 Braveheart finished 2nd in Division 1 and 3rd overall. Isao Mitas R/P 72 Beecom finished 3rd in division 1 and 7th overall. In Division 2, Dave Nottages J44 Kaimiloa III came back from a broken boom in race 8 to finished first in Division 2 and second overall. Kaimiloa also won the award for Top Hawaiian Boat. John Myhre & Harvey Arkins Farr 43 Flash Gordon finished second in Division 2 and 5th overall. Gary Fangers 1D35 Sensation finished on a high note winning race 10 in class and overall to be the only boat in the fleet to beat Pegasus. They finished third in class and 4th overall. 08/08/05 |
| Waikiki
Offshore Series
In Division 2, Dave Nottages J44 Kaimiloa finished first for and is the Division 1 leader. Second was John Myhre & Harvey Arkins Farr 43 Flash Gordon one point behind Kaimiloa. Third was Gary Fangers 1D 35 Sensation. The second race today was abandoned. The
Molokai Race has been canceled. The standing sailing instructions
at the Waikiki Yacht Club call to cancel racing when there
are Gale Force Warning in the Kaiwi Channel. As a substitute
the Race Committee has developed a course to be sailed on Wednesday
that will take the boats downwind from Diamond Head to a mark
about 2 miles south of Barbers Point. The beat back to the
finish will be in the protected waters of Maunalua Bay. www.waikikioffshores.com. |
Old
VOR's, 2![]() Last week we told you about the rest home for old VO 60's - now we find there are a few more of the oldsters than we thought. The small startup company Speedsailing in Rostock, Germany - with three VO 60's: "Rostoker" (ex-SEB2, ex-Toshiba), "T-Systems" (ex-SEB), "Macarosa" (ex-illbruck). All the boats are for day charter in the Baltic Region should anyone be so interested. 8/2/05 |
Old VO 60's Don't Die....
Greetings from Germany (it is raining again) and thanks for the great work at SA. Regards, Jan 7/28/05 |
Brazilian
Style 7/26/05 |
Cha-Ching!![]() Here are two J120's, Flyin' Irish and Jayhawker, on Lake St. Clair near Detroit who when jibing their boats with an unexpected result to their spinnakers on a beer can race a couple of weeks ago. The sailmaker aboard one of the boats was reported as saying it was a crying shame. - Frank Kern. 7/19/05 |
Rock
It 2.......BS
Called..... Yesterday
we ran a piece, Rock It, touting the
Rocket 22's performance in PHRF. One reader begs to differ
with an ORC perspective..... Tim Coughlin Div
3 Fleet - Sailed: 6 Discards: 1 Ratings: TCF
|
Rock
It Scot,
I thought this shot might be amusing for your readers. It
was taken from our arch rivals boat about 2 minutes
after the start. (WAVES regatta in Vancouver last week).
You gotta love PHRF. In this photo, which boat rates slowest under PHRF? If you guessed the boat left, youd be wrong! ButI the Rocket 22 did win the WAVES race regatta series with a 1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 4 not too shabby).
Photo:
Quantum Vancouver. |
Classic Here's a nice shot of the recently restored R-class National Champion Pirate. On her stern is Grant Adamson of Malibu, CA, grandson of designer Ted Geary of Seattle. Pirate belongs to the Center for Wooden Boats and is available for public sailing every Sunday afternoon on Lk. Union, Seattle (30 minutes from the airport) - other times by appointment. She is the only racing boat of her size on the National Register of Historic Landmarks and has been restored to the guidelines of the Secretary of the Interior; original scantlings and materials. She floats exactly on her original lines and interprets the qualities of these great boats perfectly. For more on Pirate, visit: www.R-boat.org. All the best, Scott
Roher, 6/10/05 |
Modern
One conclusion, obvious, you have to sail different. Sometimes we are fast, without knowing why :) Leo Voorneveld Designed
by Botin and Carkeek.
6/10/05 |
Apex, Baby! We have gotten quite a few Local Knowledge reports - keep 'em coming - remember, free SA swag if we print yours!
38 blokarts have been regularly racing in Auckland including the current North American and Australian mens and womans champions. Ages range from early teens through to well lets just say a lot older. Racing has been taking place in a local Auckland park on a combination of tar, gravel and grass. Racing is run in two weight divisions of around 15 to 20 in each around a tight course that resembles a cross between a go-kart track and a sailing course with a target length of around 5 to 10 mins.
Ross 6/9/05 |
Local Knowledge Little Down Under
Btw, we love to hear from you and your racing scene - every local knowledge report that we print gets you free SA swag (a shirt, hat or whatever we have laying about). Send them to The Ed. 6/8/05 |
Bad
Day |
Aloha from the Waikiki Yacht Club!
The multihulls put on quite a show with Ted Miller's Manju winning the series with a 2, 1, 1. Peter Hershorn's Illusion turned in the fastest time of 3 hour and 7 minute from Waikiki to Kaneohe on Saturday. We had Illusion and Bob Rossen's Bobsled finish within 7 seconds of each other on Sunday and the same two boats finished Monday within 4 seconds of each other. Great racing all around. The Battle for Americap A and the DJ Johnson Around Oahu Trophy was won by Todd & Cindy Wyrick's Fins. Winning Americap A with scores of 2, 1, 1 and the Overall Americap division with scores of 2, 2, 1. Geoffrey Bourne's Noa from Maui earned second in both the Americap A and overall. Michael Welsh's Squad Car finished 3rd overall. Americap B was won by Squad Car with 1, 1, 2, and the Tony Miller and Skip Winterbottom's team on Ikaika was second. The largest fleet was PHRF 1 and was won by Geoffrey Bourne's Noa with scores of 1, 2, 4. Gerontius finished second with a 2, 1, 6 and Fins third with 3, 3, 3. PHRF 2 was won by the Miller- Winterbottom's team on Ikaika with a 1, 3, 1 and Lynn Silva-Barr's Isis finished second. Squad car was third. A big Mahalo to all the people who worked so hard to make this great event happen. Phil Drips, Dan Sullivan, Charlayne Holliday, Kim & Lou Ickler, Ivan Chan Wa, Nancy Mulford, Ingrid Gales, Timmy Rhea, Bob Heidrick, Tom Pochereva, Cy Gillette, Steve Thomas, Richard Lorenzotti, Marisco boat yard, Mount Gay Rum and most of all my wife and son for letting me come play. Michael
Roth Photo
- Winning boat for regatta |
Hardway Race report - Hardway race Set up - The Hardway race is a local to Santa Barbara ocean race that starts in Santa Barbara and ends in Ventura. The Classic Hardway route is 67 miles, Santa Cruz Isle to port. The Coastal, or Easy Way route is 43 miles inside the channel. For some reason the multi hulls did an ~50 mile trip around Anacapa Isl. to port - guess they didn't want any upwind work. The race is getting less and less popular - mostly because everyone is getting smarter. I have only finished before midnight once and that was on Taxi Dancer. The usual form is very light upwind at the start, building and clocking right as the day goes on. Then very windy downwind on the backside of the island. Then the wind shutting off about dark and a drift-athon till about 9:00 am the next morning when you finally finish in a light land breeze. Read On 5/25/05 |
Italian
Style I
think this race is typical fashion oriented Italian style!
People go there not to race, but to show off the latest Wally,
their latest gold Rolex, car and so on! Very little racing!
I think they should leave the yachts on the dock and create
the results with a computer program! It is uncomfortable
to get there by car, park it, download the gear... but hey,
it's Portofino! At any given race, at least the photographer
get a sandwich an a beer on the press boat... at the Zegna
you get focaccia, (piece of greasy bread) and water, something
similar to prisoner in 1700. The only good racing were the
Swan 45's, that was a real race and a great show. I missed
the last five editions of the Zegna Trophy, I suppose I can
skip the next five! I think my thoughts fit perfectly your site! ciao, m. Photo
courtesy www.maxranchi.com |
| Caper
Steals The Yachting Cup
John Laun and his crew aboard J120 Caper pulled victory from a hat when they overcame a huge deficit to clinch the the 2005 San Diego Yachting Cup. The entire weekend had very close racing in the J120 fleet which was 10 deep and full of talent. In the end, only two points separated the first three boats and only two points separated the next three boats. Now that's one design! Team Caper started the regatta with a series of uncharacteristic boat handling mistakes combined with some bad luck and before they knew it found themselves quickly buried in 6th place after the second race and 7 points off the lead. A 2nd place finish in the third race of the day helped end the day on a positive note, but still had them in 4th place a distant 8 points off the lead of the strong performance of Chuck Nichols' CC Rider with a 1, 3, 1. Day two started with Team Caper leaving any remaining problems and doubts at the dock, and had the entire crew brimming with renewed focus on boat handling and boat speed. Brad Wright's Ma Jolie also came out very strong Sunday and pushed Caper even harder than before. The resulting tight races were a beauty to sail and found Caper with two bullets and Ma Jolie with two deuces. A tie breaker between Caper and CC Rider had Caper victorious in what must be one of the comebacks of the season in any class. In addition to the J120 trophy, John and the Caper team also took Boat of the Regatta Honors for the best performance in the toughest class. While things appeared grim after the first two races, the crew clearly never had a doubt and never quit racing the entire regatta- a lesson for everyone. 5/4/05 |
Flocking The Florida Yacht Club (FYC) and Jacksonville welcomed 27 teams back to the St Johns to compete in the 2005 District 4 Championships. Sailors came from seven states to sail in the two man, 15 ½ Snipe Class dinghy. The Snipe is sailed internationally and in the Pan Am Games. Several teams came to compete at FYC to practice for the World Championships this summer in Japan. This ensured the competition was top notch throughout the seven race series. Henry Filter and Barb Evans (Annapolis/Charleston) won a close contest over runner up and defending champ Hal Gilreath and James Liebl (Jacksonville); and Gonzalo Crivello and Lynn Fitzpatrick in third. Crivello and Fitzpatrick won the regatta on the water but dropped to third when penalized for a starting line incident in the last race. The top junior team of Enrique Quintero and Alex Kas (Miami) took home the Hook Trophy beating out two other junior teams skippered by Max Hardage and Anna Lee Bradley. 4/15/05 |
Truckin' A great follow-up to the Good Times for 30 footers in Australia story below comes to us, also from down under. Hi there - I sail on Tow Truck. Yep we did get caught in a water spout or the beginning of one anyway. I was coming up from down stairs and my bro was on the helm. The call was that there was a big gust on the water just behind us and as it hit the masthead spin back winded onto the forestay so a crew member quickly grabbed the leech so it didn't get really tangled in the rigging. The boat tacked then bore away as the spinnaker began to refill and we did a full 360 on the spot. The boat was tipped over to about 50 degrees for some of the circle. We then gybed and resumed sailing our original course!!! A seriously strange manouuvre..... We did not know what was happening at the time but it became apparent rather quickly that we had been caught right in the middle of an infant water spout touching down. The spout moved away to leeward and built quite a bit at a safe distance from us. The breeze continued to build (from the S-SW) over the next 20 min to a solid 30 knots. We changed to a fractional spin and sailed side by side with the Cone for about 35 minutes at speeds of 15-18 knots before deciding we were going to hit Fraser island if we kept going. I only looked at this site for the first time 2 weeks ago and tend to think that a lot of the info posted on here is way too over exaggerated to be of any practical use. I can assure this is accurate. I was THERE!!! Tow Truck - Crew 4/11/05 |
Good Times for 30 footers in Australia
In the first of the ‘classics’, the 370-mile ‘Sydney to Mooloolaba’, the boats were 250 miles down the course when the wind came in from behind at a meaty 25 – 30 knots. This piece of good fortune blew 2 Mumm 30’s home, at averages of 12 knots over the last 150 miles into first and second on handicap. Likewise, the hard running was to our Reichel Pugh 31’s liking and The Cone of Silence’s finished third behind AAPT and Wild Joe. It was a wild wet final 12 hours during which The Cone was averaging about 16 knots across the ground on the GPS. During this period The Cone surfed up to and past several quick boats all going flat out themselves – first it was the Farr 40 AFR Midnight Rambler, then the Inglis 50 UBS Wild Thing, then the Volvo 60 Seriously Ten and finally the Farr 52 OD Ichi Ban. Read On 08-Apr-2005 |
Hope you enjoy! Cheers, 4/4/05 |
"Wing It" Wins Redwood Cup 4/6/05 |
More Hobies... Opening Day of the Hobie Tiger Worlds in Santa Barbara, CA was not what the brochure said it would be. The 88 teams from 14 countries sailed off the beach to the race area with winds of 16 to 20 knots. By the time the first race got off the seas were building and gusts were coming up to 30 knots. Several past world champions, national champions and Olympic sailors are competing in the event. P&O Lines sponsored shipping of the boats from Australia, Germany and Italy. Carnage was heavy as many boats flipped and had trouble the conditions. Several people had to be rescued Only 23 boats were able to finish the first race, and races were canceled for the rest of the day. Racing starts again tomorrow morning. For information and photos go to www.hobieworlds.com. 3/30/05 |
Canoe U Photos
and Text by Phillip DeCausemaker of Sarasota,
FL. 18-20 March 2005 -Seven International 10m2 Canoes
made the trip to the Sarasota Sailing Squadrons One-Design
Midwinter’s this year to enjoy the fun, sun and tune
up for the worlds later this year. Bill Beaver of Annapolis,
MD sailed 29-Mar-2005 |
Pond Scrum As you know, we love to hear what's going on where you sail. Send your reports to The Ed.
3/17/05 |
Uh, It Looks Good. Really.
2/16/05 |
Local Knowledge Wild We on the Sea Eagle recently contested the 2004 Melbourne - Hobart starting on the 27th on the same start line with the Melb - Launceston race. With 40 odd boats lined up at the start with 16 going to Hobart there were plenty of boats. Weather briefing was for gale force winds from the SW and frequent squalls. This was to keep up for about 48hrs until a slow moving high moved through and the wind would drop out all together. Read on. 1/24/05 |
Damn It This is why we want y'all to keep sending reports from your neck of the woods. It's how we can all stay in touch and share information. The SA community rocks! - Ed Your home page says "When you have local knowledge from your area, an interesting regatta story, an editorial comment, a great picture, whatever, send it to us." This is small time stuff compared to all the Maxi's and Vendee Globes and so on, but hundreds of sailors in Oregon are going to be without water in their favorite lake for 3 to 5 years. The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers has declared the dam at Fern Ridge reservoir to be in imminent danger of collapse. As a result, they'll be holding water levels down to reduce pressure on the dam. Apparently the level they have chosen will make the lake deep enough for a sailing kayak, but too small for that kayak to tack more than twice before it hits the mud. Fern Ridge lake is Oregon's second most active boating location. There are several other options within an hour's drive, but much smaller in surface area. When will it be fixed? Well, we live in a Blue county in a Blue state. My guess is the Bushies will laugh and wave the middle finger at our Senator's request for expedited handling of the $40 million plus request. No more Wednesday races. No more Thursday races. No more regattas. No more Santana Nationals. No more moonlight romance. You get the picture. Keep up the good work on SA. Charlie 1/20/05 |
Blow Hard Last Saturday 15/01/05) the Surf to City yacht Race (a 90 mile downhill slide) was canceled due a gale warning issued by the Met Bureau in Queensland The forecast was for a gale warning with average winds of 30 to 40 knots with gusts another 40% above that due to a depression of the coast. However from the synoptic chart it was pretty clear there was not much gradient difference and the low was filling rapidly. Here is the wind plot form a private weather station on the edge of the race course. If the forecast was geared upwards out of caution for the weekend boating public and fear of litigation then it is of little real use in decision making unless you know this to have been done If the Met Bureau just got it wrong it is wrong by a long way (there is only one reading over 20 knots) So it is time to come clean: Are weekend forecasts exaggerated to protect the public? (or protect the Met Office from litigation) Or who has the worst Met Bureau (Queensland Australia, Southern California?) - Craig Coulson 1/18/05 |